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Would you like more constructive criticism on your work?

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What kind of feedback are you looking for?

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A detailed critique via private message (5 votes) 71%
A detailed public critique (4 votes) 57%
A comment giving the reader's general impression (1 vote) 14%
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For those who submit their work here, what type of feedback are you hoping for with your stories and poems?

And when you do receive constructive criticism how do you really feel about it? Do you prefer the kind of feedback that makes you think or is a general comment more along the lines of what you're expecting?

For those who are here to read, do you hold back on your comments and mainly give praise due to worrying about hurting the writer's feelings?
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I'm guilty of giving too much praise at times. Especially if I don't know the writer.
Many writers misinterpret criticism.
I would much rather encourage a writer.

If I do criticise or give extreme praise, I try to do it privately.
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Thank you both!

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I tend to post pieces here that I am generally happy with. I have a writing group where I can get detailed critiques and, for me, Stories Space is more about sharing. That said, if someone takes the time to give me feedback then I welcome it. After nearly two years of serious writing I've learned how to take criticism better than I used to. People's opinions are their opinions. You may not agree with them, but why take offence when you can pick them apart and see what you can learn from them.

When I read other people's work, I like to try and pick up on one thing to praise and one thing that could be improved. I also try to explain my reasoning. But, I am wary about being overly critical, since there is no way to tell what sort of feedback a writer wants here. In my writing group I know were all there for the same reasons, and none of us hold back in picking each other's work to pieces. Here there are different people with different agendas.
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I remember the days of sitting around a table and just bouncing ideas off each other while writing. The one thing we always tried to remember was that we all loved writing. No matter the subjective, the outcome was the objective.

My personal favourite writing is poetry. But, while another site, I tried a short story. One of the comments was something to the effect of, 'begin a new sentence every time someone else speaks.'

That comment was due to the fact that my dialogue was contained within the same paragraph while two parties were conversing. I constantly repeat that one to myself, and I'm always up for more enlightenment.
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I don't think anyone here wants to hurt feelings so a lot of times nothing is said or false praise may be given.. this will be a good place to be honest and outspoken without being mean.. I for one won't take offense at anyone who has taken the effort to read my stuff and hopefully give me some positive feedback.. and I say positive because even if it is quite critical it is meant to be positive on your behalf.. anyways.. bring on the joust.. I expect Alan is going to tear me a new one...
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When I read other people's work, I like to try and pick up on one thing to praise and one thing that could be improved. I also try to explain my reasoning. But, I am wary about being overly critical, since there is no way to tell what sort of feedback a writer wants here. In my writing group I know were all there for the same reasons, and none of us hold back in picking each other's work to pieces. Here there are different people with different agendas.


I agree about pointing out areas to praise and areas for improvement. I was in a critique group years ago where most people took it really well, but there were always a few who focused only on the criticism and ignored the positive things said about their work, even if it was mostly praise. I think that's the hard part when you first start receiving criticism - realising that people are picking apart your work and not you.
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My personal favourite writing is poetry. But, while another site, I tried a short story. One of the comments was something to the effect of, 'begin a new sentence every time someone else speaks.'

That comment was due to the fact that my dialogue was contained within the same paragraph while two parties were conversing. I constantly repeat that one to myself, and I'm always up for more enlightenment.



I feel the same way. Good criticism stays with me and I remember to use the advice every time I write, to the point where it becomes a habit I don't have to think about.
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I don't think anyone here wants to hurt feelings so a lot of times nothing is said or false praise may be given.. this will be a good place to be honest and outspoken without being mean.. I for one won't take offense at anyone who has taken the effort to read my stuff and hopefully give me some positive feedback.. and I say positive because even if it is quite critical it is meant to be positive on your behalf.. anyways.. bring on the joust.. I expect Alan is going to tear me a new one...


This'll be fun!

I added you to the groups so you should see them show up if you visit the critique forum.
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I'd love to critique some of your work Lisa,
But you haven't written anything here...):

I guess I'll have to follow you around the forums, or maybe join the critique groups..(:
Is there an entry fee?
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Private critique - full of course!
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I think if I was asking for a complete critique of anything that I published on here I would want a PM, whereas just general comments are fine.
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I think if I was asking for a complete critique of anything that I published on here I would want a PM, whereas just general comments are fine.


The thing about posting the critique publicly is that everyone can read the story and critique, and hopefully come away with something...

And I heard that Larry...and yeah Scooter...there is a $20 entry fee...

You can just send the funds to my PayPal account, I'll send you the address, and I'll make sure you get a good seat...
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I think if I was asking for a complete critique of anything that I published on here I would want a PM, whereas just general comments are fine.


The thing about posting the critique publicly is that everyone can read the story and critique, and hopefully come away with something...

And I heard that Larry...and yeah Scooter...there is a $20 entry fee...

You can just send the funds to my PayPal account, I'll send you the address, and I'll make sure you get a good seat...


I think the reason I would want a PM is that I wouldn't want it turned into a slanging match.

Now about this Paypal account, if you would like to send me your details then I will draw out all of the money (whoops sorry, pay the money in). ROTFL.
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I'd love to critique some of your work Lisa,
But you haven't written anything here...):

I guess I'll have to follow you around the forums, or maybe join the critique groups..(:
Is there an entry fee?


I haven't written anything in a while. I'll have to do something about that.

I've added you to the critique groups so they should appear for you now. It'd be good to see you in there. smile
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I'd love to critique some of your work Lisa,
But you haven't written anything here...):

I guess I'll have to follow you around the forums, or maybe join the critique groups..(:
Is there an entry fee?


I haven't written anything in a while. I'll have to do something about that.

I've added you to the critique groups so they should appear for you now. It'd be good to see you in there. smile


OK then Lisa,

I'm a member of a country club!
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In all honesty Lisa,
I'd love to be a part of this.

This IS like the premier writing site on the Internet. Hands down.
I love this place
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In all honesty Lisa,
I'd love to be a part of this.

This IS like the premier writing site on the Internet. Hands down.
I love this place


Thanks, Bill! I love this site, too. There are some talented people here. I'm looking forward to seeing how it all progresses.
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My desire to be understood is far greater than my desire to be liked. That's partly why I write.
I think there's nothing more damning, or depressing, than false praise. I would prefer the truth, and negative criticism to none at all. I don't really see the point of posting stories otherwise. On the other hand, I don't criticize stories here as it is not expected, nor do I feel it would be appreciated.
Having a separate Forum for criticism is a very good idea.

I am a member of Desdmona's Fish Tank, a writer's group for authors of erotic fiction, where detailed, constructive criticism is given and expected. These are some of their guidelines:


Make two positive remarks.
Make two suggestions for improvement.
Try not to repeat.
This is what we call our 2+2 review. If you want to review a different way, that’s fine too. Just remember to temper any of your suggestions with some positive remarks.

Be specific. Ideally, cite examples. Ideas come from the strangest places, and even if your suggestion isn’t itself useful, it may spark the author’s imagination and inspire a change that is useful.

The best thing you can do for an author is to give your personal impression of the piece. He already knows how he feels about the story, and he knows what he is trying to get across. But he now wants to see if his points have trickled through to you, his audience.

It is common for people’s impressions to differ. With readers of varying nationalities and drastically different backgrounds, we sometimes see a wide range of opinions. This does not mean that one impression is wrong and another is right. Impressions are impressions. The real difference between a good reviewer and a bad reviewer is not the quality of the impressions; it is the ability to clearly and tactfully communicate those impressions.

So do not expect to agree with the comments of every other reviewer. Disagreement is OK. Honesty is more important than unanimity. If you disagree with someone, just make a special effort to be polite.
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I believe it was one of the Bedingfields who sang, "I Bruise Easily". And that's true, I do, I go away, have my cry, and never forget the comment! And I never remember the good stuff because I am so busy worrying about the bad! I even have to save all the comments so I can look at them without remembering wrongly.

I never really felt very serious about my writing until recently, I just enjoyed doing it. And now I'm here, I'm all... do I have my "Lalala" head on, or "I-shall-now-Be-A-Writer" head on? Ideally, I'd like both! "Lalalalaaa, seriously, though, lalalalaaaa."

I'd like public criticism, because not everybody agrees with each other. But when things are said publicly, especially if it hurts, it can make it smart all the more, because I always reckon people read it, and go, "YEAH! That bit was crap!"

I go away, have my cry, and then ask myself, do I think the comment has truth? If yes, what am I going to do about it? If no, who shall I ask to check it with?

I have just sent a story to two writers I have only met recently, but greatly respect the opinions of. It will be interesting to see if any subsequent comments from people are different to previous works I have produced alone (albeit of a different nature).

I also don't know how people will receive my comments. I always mean well, and I try to be both constructive, and point out that my opinion is just that - my opinion. I don't think that a writer always ought to go by what just one person says, as the reader will always see things slightly differently, unless it's things like spelling and grammar. I can overlook certain things if the writer successfully paints a picture and communicates well with me, even if I am struggling with their "technical issues". Having said that, if people are like me, they will want to stab my eyes out with a baiting needle and catch a fishy with them if I say anything other than, "I adore you!" I usually find something positive to say, even if it's, "You totally entertained me!" Sure, it might be in a different way than the intended, but still...

So, I don't know what to vote for in the poll. But I would like to be a better writer. I do know a lot of my faults (I'm pretty hard on myself), and I am desperately hoping nobody points out any new ones, because it means I will have to work even harder. Dammit.
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I go away, have my cry, and then ask myself, do I think the comment has truth? If yes, what am I going to do about it? If no, who shall I ask to check it with?


I think it's up to you to decide whether or not the comment has truth...the fact that someone points something out simply means that aspect caught their attention for better or worse, and what you do with that info is again up to you...

I totally agree with what you said about it being "one person's opinion" and I try to impress that upon people often, whether it's a critique, rejection notice from a publisher, etc...and you know what they say about opinions...

And I do sincerely believe people should be honest with their critique, but again, one person saying that your writing is "total rubbish" won't make it so any more than me saying my car is a new Bentley would make it so...

Did that make sense? And yeah, if you catch a big enough "fishy" make sure you fry it up for the rest of your friends here...
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For those who submit their work here, what type of feedback are you hoping for with your stories and poems?

And when you do receive constructive criticism how do you really feel about it? Do you prefer the kind of feedback that makes you think or is a general comment more along the lines of what you're expecting?

For those who are here to read, do you hold back on your comments and mainly give praise due to worrying about hurting the writer's feelings?


I've just joined and am not sure if I'll post any actual stories here, but I'll say that I don't think public critique is entirely helpful to authors. When you know that the world can see the comments made, you tend to feel as if you have to defend your book. Now, this is a feeling most writers will have regardless of how they receive the critique, but, if it's private feedback, it's a lot easier to sit back and look at the facts and statements made without worrying about the world's opinions.

Also, the purpose of critique in this case is to help the author to improve their work, not to chase their potential readers away, and public critique could work in much the same way as a bad review does.

It's also easier to be honest if the feedback is private and if there are heaps of things you didn't like about the writing, then you don't feel as if you are slashing the author in public.

These are some reasons off the top of my head why I prefer private critique in cases where I personally give the reader a copy of my book, or in cases where the critique is from a critique group.
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I go away, have my cry, and then ask myself, do I think the comment has truth? If yes, what am I going to do about it? If no, who shall I ask to check it with?


I think it's up to you to decide whether or not the comment has truth...the fact that someone points something out simply means that aspect caught their attention for better or worse, and what you do with that info is again up to you...

I totally agree with what you said about it being "one person's opinion" and I try to impress that upon people often, whether it's a critique, rejection notice from a publisher, etc...and you know what they say about opinions...

And I do sincerely believe people should be honest with their critique, but again, one person saying that your writing is "total rubbish" won't make it so any more than me saying my car is a new Bentley would make it so...

Did that make sense? And yeah, if you catch a big enough "fishy" make sure you fry it up for the rest of your friends here...


If the critiquer tells you why they think something doesn't work or isn't all that great, that's what helps improvement. I don't believe in telling someone their book is rubbish - lack of tact tends to make people deaf to what you're saying, which won't help them, and means that you've wasted your time critiquing. Tact plus reasons for your opinions are what really help a writer.
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