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Quote by Lisa


I really like that quote. Sometimes it's difficult to keep writing when the work I've just done is far from perfect, but it has to be done if I want to actually finish a story.


That is interesting...I think one of the reasons why I don't feel the need to edit, is that my process is different from a lot of people...I would never continue writing a story I wasn't happy with, my "process" consists of writing two or three paragraphs, getting a cup of coffee and a cigarette, thinking about what I'm going to write next, and then continuing with the next two or three paragraphs until the story is done...but, I would never move on to the next paragraphs until I was happy with what I had just written...

I figured out one time that it takes me approximately an hour per page in Word to write a story...it took me about four hours to write my contest story, which was only a bit more than two pages, but I took breaks and did things like read one of Steffanie's stories in the middle...

It is very rare, but I have abandoned stories because I realized the idea was not that good once I started...only happened maybe twice that I can recall...fortunately, I've been able to make use of my "rejects"...lol...

My story "Love Conquers All"...which is actually my most popular story, contains a paragraph that starts with "There is something I learned a long time ago. The opposite of love is not hate. The opposite of love is indifference..." That came from a story that I had started and abandoned called "The Best Part Of Making Up"...it was about a husband who starts fights with his wife just so they could have make-up sex...lol...I realized later after I started writing it that there was no easy way for me to show how he started the fights without possibly writing something someone might find offensive...I did however, write a couple of paragraphs at the beginning explaining how people who care about each other are going to argue and disagree now and then...just because they care about each other...

That story never got written, but the best part of it did get used to good effect...
Quote by Lisa

How closely do you follow the rules while writing? Is it something you think about during the first draft, the editing process, or are you the rebellious type who doesn't like to follow rules at all?



That is an absolutely wonderful list Lisa...I already shared it with a couple people and posted it in a writing group over on Facebook...

First off, I had to look up "passive voice"...and still not sure I completely understand the concept...from the Wikipedia article I looked at, it seems to be a matter of where you place the subject in the sentence...apparently it shifts the emphasis from the doer to the subject, or something like that...

Regarding your quote above...I could talk for quite a while on this one...this subject came up recently, in a discussion with another author on this site...you might say I'm the rebellious type, who doesn't follow the rules...but, that is at least in part because I really don't know what the rules are sometimes...OK, a lot of times...

I was never really the "English type" in school, for one thing...I was always the "math/science" type guy...so, I really don't know much about English for one thing...
I'm also not particularly well-read...of that list of 100 books kicking around in the forum, I believe I've read four...I was always into music, and never really read novels...

The other thing...regarding "Is it something you think about during the first draft, the editing process..."

Let me just say...

Since I started writing stories in 2009, I have yet to do a "second draft"...and I usually don't even read my stories until after they post...and then my "editing" is simply to correct errors like accidental double use of words in the same sentence...

I have yet to change anything in a story once I type my "first draft"...

There is a reason for this apparent "rebellious behavior"...again, I was talking to another author here recently and she was talking about how she started editing a story, and compared editing to getting a haircut...you start trimming a bit off here and there, and somehow can't stop...

The problem with that is you can end up bald. She blames it on a "perfectionist" tendency...and I can fully relate...I can be the same way, which is why I don't allow myself to edit a story...I know once I start, there will be a tendency to try to make it "perfect"...and no story will ever be perfect...

Since I started writing a bit over two years ago, I really did get into it...and have read some interesting things in blogs and the like...

By far and away the best slogan regarding writing I have yet to read is...

"Don't get it right...get it written..."

I have seen way too many people, especially beginning writers get so hung up on whether or not their story is "good enough" and keep editing in some attempt to achieve a mystery standard they have set for themselves that they end up never actually posting a story...

Which is a shame, I think...

Just my thoughts on the subject...I know it goes against popular advice...it's just what works for me...
Quote by Lisa

How closely do you follow the rules while writing? Is it something you think about during the first draft, the editing process, or are you the rebellious type who doesn't like to follow rules at all?



That is an absolutely wonderful list Lisa...I already shared it with a couple people and posted it in a writing group over on Facebook...

First off, I had to look up "passive voice"...and still not sure I completely understand the concept...from the Wikipedia article I looked at, it seems to be a matter of where you place the subject in the sentence...apparently it shifts the emphasis from the doer to the subject, or something like that...

Regarding your quote above...I could talk for quite a while on this one...this subject came up recently, in a discussion with another author on this site...you might say I'm the rebellious type, who doesn't follow the rules...but, that is at least in part because I really don't know what the rules are sometimes...OK, a lot of times...

I was never really the "English type" in school, for one thing...I was always the "math/science" type guy...so, I really don't know much about English for one thing...
I'm also not particularly well-read...of that list of 100 books kicking around in the forum, I believe I've read four...I was always into music, and never really read novels...

The other thing...regarding "Is it something you think about during the first draft, the editing process..."

Let me just say...

Since I started writing stories in 2009, I have yet to do a "second draft"...and I usually don't even read my stories until after they post...and then my "editing" is simply to correct errors like accidental double use of words in the same sentence...

I have yet to change anything in a story once I type my "first draft"...

There is a reason for this apparent "rebellious behavior"...again, I was talking to another author here recently and she was talking about how she started editing a story, and compared editing to getting a haircut...you start trimming a bit off here and there, and somehow can't stop...

The problem with that is you can end up bald. She blames it on a "perfectionist" tendency...and I can fully relate...I can be the same way, which is why I don't allow myself to edit a story...I know once I start, there will be a tendency to try to make it "perfect"...and no story will ever be perfect...

Since I started writing a bit over two years ago, I really did get into it...and have read some interesting things in blogs and the like...

By far and away the best slogan regarding writing I have yet to read is...

"Don't get it right...get it written..."

I have seen way too many people, especially beginning writers get so hung up on whether or not their story is "good enough" and keep editing in some attempt to achieve a mystery standard they have set for themselves that they end up never actually posting a story...

Which is a shame, I think...

Just my thoughts on the subject...I know it goes against popular advice...it's just what works for me...
Just want to note that I sent them my latest story The Birthday Party...which is my contest entry, and Love Conquers All...which btw, I managed to sell to an e-Zine, or online magazine recently...

We'll see how that goes...if I happen to come away with $50 or $100...I'm sure I'll mention it here in the forum...

Heck, I'll probably put it in the local newspaper...
Here is a site that accepts short stories, you know, like the kind here on this fine site known as Stories Space...and they will pay you $100 if your story is selected as Story of the Week...

The good, or should I say great news is that they accept previously published stories...though if I recall, they only pay $50 for a previously published story selected for Story of the Week...you have to read the submission section and try to figure it all out...

They accept stories ranging from 500 to 12,000 words, and if you read their guidelines, they are even flexible on that...so, sounds to me like you can't really lose here....

Here is the link to the site...

Short Story America
http://www.shortstoryamerica.com/index.html

Basically, if you can post it here...you can send it in there...

Good Luck...
Stories Space is back up and running...

Let's just say that there were more than a few people who had expressed concern...this was the longest anyone here can remember the site being down...

But, it's nice to know that everything is fine...and back to "normal"...whatever "normal" means anyhow...

Cheers,
Alan.

Quote by Sherzahd
Will check it out. I have a friend who is a brilliant artist, will send him the link as well.


Good luck...trying to figure out what they want exactly, and if I have anything that may qualify...which I'm starting to think I don't...

Note the line..." Although general topics are welcome, we're less likely to select work regarding romance, sex, aging, and children. Fiction in an experimental, avant-garde or surreal mode is often more interesting to us than a traditional story."
Have a "flush fiction" piece suitable for reading in the bathroom? Can't make this stuff up...

Just when you think you've heard it all...Uncle John's Flush Fiction is looking for short fiction suitable for reading in the bathroom...ah yeah...pays $50 per story...go for it...
Flush Fiction | Uncle John's Bathroom Reader
http://bathroomreader.com/flushfiction/
OH, me liking this one very much...here is a journal that pays for previously published poems and stories...

...anyway...up to $20 for poems, $70 for prose, they also buy artwork and stuff...check it out...

Submitting work to Grasslimb journal
http://grasslimb.com/journal/submissions.html

Note..."Previously published work is fine, if you retain the reprint rights and if you specify the original published location at time of submission."

Not sure why they need to know that, but don't argue...note also it says "Payment is $5-$20 per piece for poetry, $10-$70/piece for prose, $15-25/piece for book/music reviews, $15-$25/piece for artwork and cartoons."

I'm assuming they pay the greater amount if the work is not previously published, but what the hey?
Here's a good contest for my SS friends...stories about business relationships that have been formed as a result of shared meals and the good news is "Drinking stories are also wanted, as we all have friendships and business deals that have been made or broken after a night of cocktails and clubbing."...LOL...no comment there...smile

Story Contest – How to Succeed in Business and Life Through Your Stomach | SixteenOctober
http://sixteenoctober.com/blog/story-contest-how-to-succeed-in-business-and-life-through-your-stomach/
Always put the paint in the trunk!

The people in the blue car had a 5 gallon bucket of paint on the back seat.

The ambulance driver wouldn't let the female paramedic out of the ambulance
because she couldn't stop laughing, he said it wasn't professional.





An oldie but a goodie...


A pirate walked into a pub, and the bartender said, "Hey, I haven't seen you in a while. What happened? You look terrible!"

"What do you mean?" said the pirate, "I feel fine."

"What about the wooden leg? You didn't have that before."

"Well," said the pirate, "We were in a battle, and I got hit with a cannon ball, but I'm fine now."

The bartender replied, "Well, OK, but what about that hook? What happened to your hand?"

The pirate explained, "We were in another battle. I boarded a ship and got into a sword fight. My hand was cut off. I got fitted with a hook but I'm fine, really."

"What about that eye patch?"

"Oh," said the pirate, "One day we were at sea, and a flock of seagulls flew over. I looked up, and one of them shit in my eye."

"You're kidding," said the bartender. "You couldn't lose an eye just from bird shit."

"Well, it was my first day with the hook"
I can't take credit for this poem, but some here may find it very touching...

A Woman's Poem

He didn't like the casserole
And he didn't like my cake,
He said my biscuits were too hard
Not like his mother used to make.
I didn't perk the coffee right
He didn't like the stew,
I didn't mend his socks
The way his mother used to do.
I pondered for an answer
I was looking for a clue.
Then I turned around and
smacked the shit out of him....

Like his mother used to do.
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I love a good poem, don't you?!?!
Looks interesting tj...I "liked" InkPop over on Facebook, so I'll get the news of what's up there...

Btw...you can't post links until you hit 20 forum posts...
HEROES & HEARTBREAKERS

http://www.heroesandheartbreakers.com/page/submissions
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HeroesandHeartbreakers.com welcomes submissions of original
short romance stories in all subgenres (contemporary,
paranormal/urban fantasy, women's fiction/chick lit, historical,
romantic suspense, etc). We are not interested in "true
confessions" or other non-fiction material. We are looking
for stories between 6,000 and 15,000 words, although exceptions
may be made. Simultaneous submissions are allowed. Original
short stories acquired for this program are edited by both
in-house editors and freelance editors who are experts in the
romance genre. We pay $1,000 against a 25% royalty. (The royalty
enters the picture with respect to downloadable versions of the
work.) Although we will consider edge cases, "original" means
original--not previously published.
Here's a bunch of submission calls, most but not all with a bit of a spiritual flavor...


Here are some markets to get you started:

You & Me - Pay not specified - expect 25 cents/word
http://www.youandmemagazine.com/pages/submissions - Seeks
first-person perspectives about the human aspects of dealing
with all medical issues.

Guideposts - $100-$500
http://www.guideposts.org/writers-guidelines - Seeks first-
person narratives written in simple, dramatic, anecdotal
style with a spiritual point that the reader can "take away"
and apply to his or her own life.

Chicken Soup For The Soul - $200
http://www.chickensoup.com - Seeks inspirational, true stories
about ordinary people doing extraordinary things.

Now What? - $25-$55
http://nowwhat.cog7.org - Seeks personal experience stories
of 1,500 words that show a person's struggle that either led
him to faith in Christ or deepened his walk with God.

Full Spirit Magazine - $750
http://www.fullspiritmagazine.com - Seeks testimonies of
1,000 words on such things as overcoming addictions, personal
limitations, fears and anxieties, false beliefs, and social
obstacles.

Self - $2 /word
http://www.self.com - Seeks personal essays of 1,200-2,000
words on topics important to women for the "Self Expression"
column.

Women's Health - $1 /word
http://www.womenshealthmag.com - Seeks smart, funny pieces
of 1,000 words that will resonate with readers who are
between the ages of 25 and 39.

Shape - $1.50-$2 /word
http://www.shape.com - Seeks real life essays of 600 words
that go beyond writing about fitness and are full of personal
insight. Has an illness caused you to get in shape or lead a
healthier lifestyle?

The Funny Times - $60
http://www.funnytimes.com - Seeks funny stories of 500-700
words about any topic.
Check out that link too, they are also looking to publish novellas and poetry chapbooks in print...
My type of literary competition...no fees..."Each issue of Literary Laundry is accompanied by a writing competition. All pieces submitted to us for review will be entered into consideration for our Awards of Distinction. We offer the following cash awards:

$500 for best poem
$500 for best short story
$250 for best one-act drama"

Submissions | Literary Laundry
http://literarylaundry.com/submissions
Breaking Poetry News...

The New York Public Library has purchased the papers of Timothy Leary, reports The New York Times. Among the 335 boxes of papers, videotapes, photographs and more is correspondence from “Ginsberg, Aldous Huxley, William Burroughs, Jack Kerouac, Ken Kesey, Charles Mingus, Maynard Ferguson, Arthur Koestler, G. Gordon Liddy and even Cary Grant—an enthusiastic LSD user.”...getting flashbacks just thinking about it...smile

Holy Psilocybin! NYPL Purchases Timothy Leary Papers : Harriet Staff : Harriet the Blog : The Poetry Foundation
http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2011/06/holy-psilocybin-nypl-purchases-timothy-leary-papers/
Poetry Magazine, which has been around since 1912 and published by The Poetry Foundation, pays a rather decent ten bucks a line for poems...minimum $300, btw...not too shabby by any stretch of the imagination...

They are also about the most "respectable" print publication you can get a poem in, from what I understand...here's the link...
http://www.poetryfoundation.org/
I'll have to say in general, beer...

Of course, if I was having an Italian dinner, or certain other foods...then it would be very different...

Pool or ocean?